RUSH: Trump pays attention to what his supporters think. So let’s go to the phones and find out what kind of neurons are floating around in your skulls out there. We’re gonna start with Marcus, Farmington Hills, Michigan. Great to have you, Marcus. How you doing?
CALLER: Good. Listen. One big point here. The whole thing has to be fake. There’s no way these could have been written up by any attorney. I’m sitting here at the beginning of your show when you first mentioned that thing about, “How did you feel when you found out I was gonna investigate you?” No lawyer in his right mind after a year-and-a-half of all this stuff would ask Trump such a silly question. Maybe if they were sitting around over coffee or something, but on a legal thing —
CALLER: — he wouldn’t answer such a stupid question.
RUSH: Let’s remember who and what we’re dealing with here. In the first place, it has been reported that these are not actual questions written by Mueller.
CALLER: Well, then I could go along with that maybe, but even so it doesn’t make sense. Some of the questions that you’ve read later in the show here, okay, maybe he would ask those, but some of them, it just doesn’t seem professional at all. So it seems like somebody wrote these up and whatever —
RUSH: They did. They did. The story is that Trump’s lawyers wrote these questions as summaries of what Mueller told them he wants to ask Trump. So Trump’s lawyers prepared these and —
CALLER: It could be, but like you just said five seconds ago, why leak anything? What’s going on here? Are they trying to create some kind of a facade again or something? Nah. I don’t believe it.
RUSH: There are two possible answers to that, depending on who’s leaking. One scenario is that these questions demonstrate the overbroad, ridiculous, expansive nature of this investigation and that we’re nowhere near the end of it if he still wants to know this stuff. The other —
CALLER: Well —
RUSH: — thing is that leaking this stuff is designed to demonstrate the special doesn’t have anything and is designed to take the winds out of the sails of Mueller by totally destroying whatever surprise he could have intended to hit Trump with.
CALLER: Yeah. Yeah. Could be. But if they actually came for Mueller and somebody actually leaked them, which you find so highly unlikely just because the whole idea of the collusion, something would have leaked out halfway sounding legitimate about that a —
RUSH: Okay.
CALLER: — long, long time ago.
RUSH: Since you are so highly suspicious of all of this, what do you —
CALLER: Oh, absolutely.
RUSH: What do you think this is, then?
CALLER: Well, I think somebody wrote it up again ’cause we’re coming to a head here with Trump a little bit with the whole Korean thing and the Iran thing. And he’s starting to look real good out in the media. And he’s starting to look real good on Fox News and all that. Everybody’s praising him.
RUSH: Hey. He always looks good on Fox News.
CALLER: Well, yeah. But you got the guys from South Korea, the leader, saying Trump should get a Nobel prize this week? How about that? You know, and I know he’s a friend of his also. But the thing is, so much is looking positive for Trump that I think the left is gonna have to keep throwing out things —
CALLER: The left hates this.
RUSH: Oh, they do. His approval numbers continue to skyrocket. It looks like he’s gonna win the Korean Peninsula thing that nobody’s been able to win for 50 years, the economy’s going great, things are going well. You think this is gonna remind everybody that Trump is actually a reprobate and stole the election?
CALLER: Well, they want to keep that whole thing going, at least until the 2018 midterms. You know, and if he keeps looking positive and if he actually solves this whole thing with North Korea, that is so huge.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: That is so huge on the world stage, not just the United States.
RUSH: Right. If he gets us out of Obama’s fake Iran deal, that’s another one.
CALLER: That’s another one. If he solves something over there, and you even got Condi Rice coming out today and saying, yeah!
RUSH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
CALLER: And, you know, she’s a highly respected person obviously.
RUSH: She is, and a member at Augusta National. She says: I wouldn’t necessarily have pulled out because I’d want to be able to manage the whole process, but I don’t think it’s gonna be any harm pulling out.
I gotta quickly go. Give me a question answer to the question. “What did you think and do when you heard that I was gonna be hired to investigate you?” That’s supposedly one of the questions that Mueller wants to ask Trump.
CALLER: To me a professional attorney would never ask somebody in Trump’s —
RUSH: Well, I know. But you’ve gotta remember what this is all about.
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RUSH: This is Crawford, Bay Shore, Long Island. Great to have you on EIB Network. Hello, sir. Crawford, are you there? Testing, one, two, three. He’s not there. Crawford, are you there? Well, what Crawford was gonna say is that he believes that the leak of these questions is the handiwork of Rudolph “Rudy” Giuliani. That he is the latest addition to the Trump legal team, that he understands what’s going on.
Now, the New York Times said that their information, these questions were provided to them by somebody outside the Trump legal team. That’s why learned legal beagles believe it’s John Dowd, who’s a former member of the Trump legal team who resigned in frustration over supposedly Trump not listening to him about not talking to Mueller.
I remember Rudy, when he took the gig, he said his objective was to get this thing wrapped up in two to three weeks. Now, that, of course, I don’t think he was meaning in an exact two to three week time period, but to move this thing along, get it wrapped up. If you think this is Giuliani’s handiwork, does this do that? I’m just asking. I’m not asking with a preconceived answer here behind the question. I’m asking it open ended. Do you think the leak and publication of these questions furthers us toward an end to the investigation?
Okay. Kevin in St. Louis. You’re next. We’ll give you a shot. How are you doing, sir?
CALLER: Hey, Rush. Thanks for taking my call.
RUSH: Yes, sir.
CALLER: Just real quickly, I think that the reason Donald Trump wants to do the interview is because he’s, as I’ve said before, he’s fully prepared for this. He knew this was gonna happen. He’s got information he can use against them if they try to bring anything on him, and —
RUSH: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let’s not just race through this. Information on who?
CALLER: Well, like Comey, for one thing. If you remember, he was fired when he was in Los Angeles. So I’m sure that they raided his office and took his computers and have information there. And like I said, I think that Donald Trump knew this was gonna happen, and it’s phony, so there’s really nothing that they can do to him that he’s not prepared for.
RUSH: Yes, there is.
CALLER: What?
RUSH: There’s things he can do to anybody no matter how prepared. Ask Martha Stewart. Ask Scooter Libby. It’s not complicated at all. Here’s just one example. You have an interview with Mr. Trump. You ask Mr. Trump, “What time was it when you had breakfast on the day you fired Comey?”
“I don’t know, 8:30, 8:45.”
“Thank you.” Write it down. At the end of the interview you tell the president that we might need some follow-ups. We’ll submit them in writing.
Even using your example, Trump wants to do this ’cause he’s got some dirt on Comey that nobody knows. And in an interview with Mueller, he could divulge this info on Comey. I guarantee you that if Mueller wanted to go get Comey, he would have done it long ago. If Comey was a subject, if Comey was a person of interest — and he ought to damn well be is the point. But he’s not, that we know of.
Now, you may think my example is crazy. But it’s not, folks. These kinds of process crimes are attempted often. And now remember, police officers can lie in interrogations in order to get confessions. Supreme Court has said so. Kevin, thanks.
Richard, Washington, D.C., you’re next. Great to have you, sir. Hi.
CALLER: Hey, Rush. It’s great to talk to you. And I appreciate the points that you’re making. I just want to make three quick points. First of all, I disagree with your initial caller. Open-ended questions are not unprofessional. In fact, they’re exactly the kinds of questions that professional police investigators live off of. They want to ask those questions and get responses to them to see what’s there worth mining. And if you give them stuff through open-ended questions, that’s what exactly what they’re looking for.
RUSH: Especially if you’ve got a talker like Trump.
CALLER: Yeah, exactly. Second point. That list of questions that you were reading is not an inclusive list. There’s no guarantee that there aren’t other questions on that list. In fact, I’m sure that there are. And there may be questions generated in the interview itself that aren’t on that list.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: And the third point is, as you just so aptly stated, the Supreme Court has long established that investigators can lie to you in the course of an investigation, but you can’t lie to them. That’s what sting operations are all about. A sting operation is a giant, contrived lie, and police investigators employ those all the time.
RUSH: Richard, I have a take a break coming in 10 seconds. Can you wait? I got one thing else I want to ask you on the other side of the break. Can you hang on?
CALLER: Sure. I’d be happy to.
RUSH: Thanks much.
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RUSH: And we are back with Richard in Washington. Thank you again for holding on. I want to… In addition to having one other question for you, I want to run something by you on the open-ended nature of the questions. You’re exactly right, but let me ask you this. You sound like somebody with some experience. If a prosecutor actually has evidence of a crime and is trying to prove it, what is the likelihood the questions would not be open-ended? If he’s got somebody he… Like, if he’s got a defendant, he’s got somebody on the witness stand or somebody he’s investigating and he’s actually trying to prove a known crime — he knows the crime’s been committed; he’s got evidence of it — he’s not gonna ask open-ended questions at that point, is he? He’s gonna bore in with specifics.
CALLER: Well, Rush, it depends on what the evidence is that he has. If he has conclusive —
CALLER: Well, when you want to lock your case down, that’s when you start asking the open-ended questions. Most prosecutors appreciate a target or a person of interest who sits down with them and asks open-ended questions. (chuckles) Prosecutors appreciate the opportunity that that presents — and that’s when they bore in. You know, once you agree to sit down with somebody and you’re presented with these open-ended questions, the whole dynamic of that interview process changes in favor of the prosecutor. So I think that the prosecutors here, the investigators here understand that Donald Trump’s weak point is his pride or his hubris. So he may be perfectly innocent and not having done anything illegal or inappropriate, but at that point, that doesn’t matter. Something that you say that just comes out of your mouth in the moment can and most likely will be used against you by a very determined prosecutor, and I think that’s what we have. The president would be very —
RUSH: I was thinking that it’s when the prosecutor doesn’t have any evidence that he would then go after every open-ended question he could come up with, in the hope that the target will give some responses that’d give you state of mind. Or that the target just starts trying to prove his innocence by continuing to talk and talk and talk and make himself more and more vulnerable. His open-ended questions are designed to get the perp to start talking. Specific questions limit — if the perp is smart. Anyway, aside from all that, the question I wanted to hold you over and ask you about is, why do you think this has all been leaked? What do you think…? Whoever did it, for what purpose? Have you had any thoughts on that? I’m just asking anybody. Everybody’s opinion counts here today, as far as I’m concerned, on this.
CALLER: Well, it’s impossible to know. I think that you can make a very strong argument that this information was leaked in order to warn the president away from this.
RUSH: But why would you have to leak it to do that? If his lawyers have these questions, why couldn’t they take him in the Oval Office, shut the doors, and say, “You do not — you do NOT — want to get anywhere near this. This is the last place you want to be”?
CALLER: You don’t know what’s going on inside those quarters, and the president… We all know that the president listens to certain outlets. Fox & Friends. He probably listens to you and a couple of others.
RUSH: And there’s nobody telling him to sit down and talk to this guy. Everybody out there is telling him not to do it.
CALLER: We don’t know that! And don’t forget, the appeal of the prosecutors to the president is an appeal of pride — and it’s a very clever one. It’s a very clever appeal. You go after a person’s weak point. You know, the original Greek story about the Achilles’ heel. Achilles was a very powerful warrior that was basically immune everywhere except his heel. That was his weak part. Well, what do we know about Donald Trump? His weak point is his pride.
RUSH: Okay. All right. So Mueller could go in saying, “Mr. President, look, everybody here knows that you didn’t do this, and we really need to hear it from you and we can batten this down. We can wrap this up. But we just need to hear it from you.” So you think that Trump might be susceptible…? I know a lot of people who think Trump would buy into that yesterday. If Trump is needed to end this, if Trump’s the guy that can bring this…Remember, Mueller can lie. “Mr. President, we all know what’s going on here.
“You had nothing to do with this, but we can’t wrap this up until you definitively tell us what we have to know here.” I know people who think Trump would fall for that simply because it appeals to his ego. It appeals to — like the caller says — his pride and so forth, and how he is totally necessary and needed for this to happen. Remember, if you’re Trump… There’s something else. If you’re Trump, you’re sitting there knowing full well you didn’t do any of this. Okay? And I don’t believe he did.
Folks, I think the people that colluded and have attempted to overthrow the outcome of an election are all on the Democrat side. They’re all on the Hillary-DNC side. We know they rigged the elections in the primaries against Bernie Sanders. We know that. We know they hired Steele. We know all of the chicanery is on the other side. So if we assume that Trump didn’t do it, he knows better than anybody he didn’t do it, and he’s gotta be driven crazy by this.
CALLER: Just great. Thanks for taking my call. I’m a longtime listener, first-time caller. But everything that has been said just bolsters my position about Trump. He’s his own worst enemy because he does have a huge ego but he’s very fragile. He’s got a poor self-image. I think Stormy Daniels —
RUSH: Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Did you say poor self-image?
CALLER: Yes. That’s why he sounds himself with so much opulence, and that is why he is best at what he does when he has a rally. He surrounds himself with people that absolutely love him, and he has nothing to defend himself there. But when he gets into stormy waters — (snickers) no pun intended — her attorneys are filing a defamation suit against him for something that happened allegedly because of her supposed relationship with him. And then if you watch Trump when he’s facing a bunch of people he’s having a conference with, whenever he crosses his arms in front of him, that’s a defensive measure, because he’s either unsure of his position or he’s afraid of the response he’s gonna get. So he’s very thin skinned and he’s afraid most of the time. The only time —
RUSH: Really? So —
CALLER: It’s the sign of a good salesman too, because —
RUSH: So you think Trump inside, he’s a quivering mass of jelly who’s insecure and —
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: — is afraid people are gonna found out that he’s insecure?
RUSH: Why does he want to talk to Mueller then?
CALLER: He shouldn’t! (chuckling) Because he thinks he can overcome that. All during the campaign, “Lies! Lies! Lies!” and —
RUSH: Wait a minute. That doesn’t fit with somebody who has a poor self-image. Somebody who has a poor self-image (chuckling) is not gonna want to be in a room where Robert Mueller is. Look, I’m fascinated by the way people think. So all this is cool/fine with me, folks. Don’t get upset. I’m fascinated by it. Whether people are informed, not informed, or whatever, it still fascinates me the way people think, because when you learn that, then you can work with that. When you find out how people think, when you find out how they arrive at conclusions that they have drawn — or if they’re feeling rather than thinking. So all of that is valuable to me from both a PR and marketing standpoint as I host the program.
I’m glad you called out there, Ken.
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