RUSH: Earlier this week, ladies and gentlemen, I put out there the possibility that it might be a wise thing to do to one day (maybe on a Friday) take calls from listeners who were under 30 — 30 or under. They could be conservative, could be liberal, but just to get their perspective. I have since stumbled across stuff in the news that once again makes me realize just how prescient and forward-thinking I am.
There is a poll out… Well, I don’t want to start. If I start telling you about it now I’ll get into it now, and I want to save it for a little bit later. But there’s polling data out there that shows on the Republican side that 18- to 24-year-olds despise Trump. They despise him! Whereas Republican voters over 45 or 50, literally love Trump. And exploring the differences. You know, why would 18- to 24-, 18- to 30-year-old Republicans who otherwise…
I mean, they like what Trump’s doing policy-wise, but they hate the guy. And the poll was done under the auspices of, “Should some other Republican seek the White House in 2020?” And an incredible number — like 70-some-odd percent of Republican voters under 30 — said yes. May be even over 80%. I’ll have to consult the poll. But it gave me a couple of ideas about what we could do to try to flesh this out here on the program.
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RUSH: Folks, I had not intended for you young pups to start calling in here, but man, you can’t wait! You know, I start talking about the polling data I saw on the differences in Republican voters 18 to 30 and 45 and over, and I thought, “Yeah, we need to set up a day down the road where we talk about this,” but here they are. I mean, they have stormed the phone lines, and they want to weigh in on this. So now I’ve gotta jump into this a little sooner than I had planned to.
By that I mean my thoughts are not fully baked and settled here before I get into this. So I guess we’re gonna be improvising and flying by the seat of our pants on some of this stuff. So what I’ll do here is I will use callers as they are usually used, as opportunities to inspire reaction and thought, transition and so forth — as well as, perhaps, even be entertained by them. Sometimes that happens too.
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RUSH: Zack in Manhattan. Zack, I’m glad you called. It says you’re 29 years old, right?
CALLER: That’s right, Rush. Thanks for having me.
RUSH: You bet. So what’s up? Why did you call? What was it I said that made you want to call in here and discuss it?
CALLER: Well, what you led off with, you know, the fact a majority of people under 30 and, you know, regardless of political affiliation, but conservatives are, you know, apparently — it’s news to me, but — anti-Trump. And, you know, I think that the reason for this is kind of twofold, but the main part is that, you know, my generation, my peers get their news from selective sources. It’s no longer Fox versus CNN or you can flip back and forth on the channel to get two different talking points, two different viewpoints.
It’s coming direct from their Reddit feed, their Facebook feed, you know, sites like Vox. And I think we’ve gotten to this point that it’s just too easy for you to actively seek out what you want to hear to reaffirm what you think is going on. And, you know, all of that stuff is overwhelmingly anti-Trump for one reason or another. But I think that is the main reason why people in my age-group are polling this way.
RUSH: Okay, great. Great. That’s fascinating. All of that is undeniable. But I think it goes further than that. I think there are additional reasons. Let me give you the polling data that made me pull up short and look at this. This is polling data that’s actually published at Axios Media, which is a Millennial explainer website. It’s a website where it assumes its readers don’t know anything, so it reports the, quote-unquote “news” and then a paragraph titled, “What does it mean?” or, “What it means,” and then the next paragraph, “What could happen next?”
So it assumes that Millennial readers are clueless. It’s actually a marketing thing that they’re trying to set their website apart from others. They published a poll. The poll is SurveyMonkey. “Do you want another Republican to challenge President Trump for the party’s nomination in 2020?” Forty-two percent of the sample said “yes.” Fifty-six percent of the sample said “no.” These are Republicans, people who are Republican or lean Republican.
There aren’t any liberals in this particular question’s results, okay? So this is strictly Republican, lean Republican. How conservative they are is not specified, but we’ll throw that in. So overall, 56% of the Republican sample say they do not want another Republican to challenge Trump; 42% say they do. Among 18 to 24 Republicans, 82% want somebody to challenge Trump. They hate Trump. Eighteen percent of 18 to 24’s think Trump is okay. This is a huge split!
And while it may be that it is the news sources they use to inform themselves, it has to be more than that. It has to be. And that’s what we’re gonna explore. Here’s another demographic, 25-34: 57% want Trump to be challenged; 40% don’t. But if you go to 55-64, for example, 66% do not want anybody else but Trump; 45-to-54, 63% want nobody else. They want Trump. So basically, let’s say 18-to-34, about 70% of Republicans hate Trump and want him gone. But 45 and above, about 68% of Republicans like Trump. That is a huge generational divide, major.
So why does it exist?
That’s what we’re gonna explore.
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RUSH: Now, look. Some of the explanation for this surely is social media, and some of it is straight Drive-By Media. But much of it is cultural, and much of it has to do with the fact that these people are so young that they haven’t lived through anything like their parents or grandparents have — dealing with liberalism, I mean.
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RUSH: By the way, it’s not… Let’s just keep it at dislike. But this, by the way, I should give you a heads-up. This split where 18- to 24-year-old Republican voters want Trump gone. They hate him. They want somebody else running for the presidency in 2020. Only 18%… According to SurveyMonkey, only 18% like Trump and want him to stay as president. But then when you get to the 45-to-54, 50 to 64, it’s the exact opposite. Baby Boomers and their kids have no problem with Trump, not like the youth to.
Because everybody wants the youth. Advertisers want the youth. Everybody wants them. They’re the future. They haven’t yet firmly made up their minds on a lot of things. They’re still open, flexible, supposedly. So everybody is in pursuit of the Millennial generation to one degree or another, as opposed to when you hit 40-45. You’re pretty much made up your mind on things you like and don’t like, people you like and don’t like.
By the time you hit 50, nobody cares about you, demographically. When you’re 55? Ha-ha-ha! You’re a placeholder. But what you think about things is of very little to opinion makers, advertisers, marketers. It’s just the way it is. It’s always been that way. There are, of course, exceptions. And I’m one of them. I’m 67. Jeez! I’m 67 now. Of course, people still desperately care what I think and still desperately want to know what I think.
But I am an outlier. I am an exception to the rule.
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RUSH: So we have a 20-year-old from Cleveland. His name is Nick, and I’m glad you called, glad you waited. Welcome, sir.
CALLER: Well, thank you. I just want to say thank you for everything you do. My boss, he actually got me to listen to you, and I really wasn’t a Trump supporter until I started listening to you, and I just want to thank you for that.
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: There are no wrong answers. I’m taking… Think of me as taking a survey, but you don’t have to lie to me.
CALLER: (chuckles) Okay.
RUSH: Nothing you say is gonna be used against you, and, you know, we’re not gonna put up billboards in Cleveland talking about Nick.
CALLER: (laughing)
RUSH: Why did you support Trump? Why did you not like Trump until you started listening to me? What was it about Trump you didn’t like? Tell me the truth. There’s no wrong answer. I really want to know.
CALLER: It was the Fake Media. I believed in it.
RUSH: You believed what the media was saying about him?
CALLER: Yes, I did.
RUSH: But what about times when you saw Trump without the media? You saw his announcement that he was running. You saw what he said about John McCain, about he doesn’t respect military people that get captured. What did you think of Trump individually regardless of what the fake media was saying? Did you like him, not like him? Did you think he was a buffoon? What did you think?
CALLER: I just didn’t like him. Just what everyone was saying, every person out there, I just didn’t like him because of it. And I started listening to you, and you changed my whole outlook on it.
He’s a very smart guy. David French is the guy that Bill Kristol suggested run for president instead of Trump near the end of the primary process, when it was clear that none of the Republicans — not Jeb, not Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, John Kasich. When none of them were gonna beat Trump, Bill Kristol tried to save the day for the Never Trumpers by nominating David French. French had no idea it was coming. French didn’t want to run for president.
He’s a writer, among other things in his career, at National Review. I’ve also had… We’ll get to what he says about this in a second. I also had an email today from a friend who is the parent of Millennials, and he’s constantly observing them as though they are laboratory rats. He’s trying to understand why they don’t like Trump and how that could be made to change. He has learned the way they speak.
He very early picked up on the importance of the word “sustainability,” which is almost a biblical term to Millennials. If something isn’t “sustainable,” they’re not gonna support it. Millennials believe that climate change is literally destroying this planet, and many more of them than you would believe think that the earth may be uninhabitable by the time they reach 65. It’s a larger number than you would believe, and that’s where the word “sustainable” comes in.
Any potential policy solution must have “sustainability,” meaning it will continue to work — and if it doesn’t, then they are automatically opposed to it. So this guy sends me an email today. He says, “Rush, Trump is educating Millennials on the joys of capitalism and free markets and limited government.” He sent me this independent of… He didn’t know that I was gonna focus on this topic today. He just sent me this note.
He said, “Rush, I think the tax cut bill is helping young skulls full of mush much better understand economics and civics from a conservative point of view, and this is important because these subjects are not taught in most public schools. Economics, civics, from a conservative standpoint, are simply not taught.” He thinks that soon a lot of Millennials are gonna learn about corruption and how authoritarian police states behave.
And they’re going to have an awakening and realize that their previous devotion to socialism is an automatic loser because being exposed to this rapidly growing economy with rapidly increasing prosperity for many more millions of Americans than has happened in the last eight years, it’s gonna wake all of them up. He says, “The final lesson will be in the subject of propaganda. The politicization of the media by those who want to steer your pursuit of happiness onto the nearest off ramp….”
He tries to get tricky with words, but his basic point is that he thinks real life is gonna wake up some of these Millennials and that they’re gonna realize that what they’ve been taught is bogus. And, see, that’s… I’m not so sure, because this SurveyMonkey poll — which, again, says that 82% of 18 to 24-year-olds want another Republican to challenge Trump. They don’t want Trump to be on the ticket in 2020. A lot of it isn’t policy related. They simply hate Trump’s personality. They’re embarrassed by Trump’s personality.
What percentage of that is brought on by their exposure to mainstream media, Facebook, social media? Probably some. But this gets even more interesting when you delve deeper. When you compare the 18- to 24-year-olds’ view of Trump the individual and the man versus people who are 45 and older and their impression of Trump, you have a wide divergence with very little in common. And what you find is that the 18-to-24-year-olds simple aren’t old enough.
They haven’t lived long enough to understand things like people who’ve lived 20 and 30 years longer than they have understand. They don’t know the history of the Clintons. They don’t know the history of the liberal Democrats and immigration. They don’t know any of these things. They don’t know the history of the Republican Party as a party that caves. They don’t know any of this.
All of this is brand-new to them. And, remember, folks, there’s a thing about human behavior that is undeniable. Most people’s historical perspective begins with the day they were born. What I mean by that is if something happened years and years before you were born, you don’t care. You weren’t alive. It’s irrelevant! It doesn’t matter! What’s important is what’s happened when you’ve been alive.
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RUSH: And back to the phones we go to Bradley in Elkhart, Indiana. He’s 30. Great to have you, Bradley. How you doing?
CALLER: Good. How you doing, Rush?
RUSH: Fine and dandy. Thank you.
CALLER: So, you know, I wanted to call in today. You had said that you wanted to hear about why Millennials support Trump and, you know, about the polls.
RUSH: No, not… See, we’re getting ahead of the game here. I really didn’t mean for the calls to happen today because I haven’t set this up yet. What I’m really looking for here is Millennials who are Republicans who don’t like Trump, and if you started out… Do you like…?
CALLER: Okay.
RUSH: Wait. Don’t hang up yet. Do you like Trump?
CALLER: I do.
RUSH: There’s no wrong answer to any of my questions. Are you a Trump supporter or not?
CALLER: I am 100%.
CALLER: No. From the moment he came out, I pretty much was a supporter.
RUSH: Okay. So let’s get back, then, to your call. What was the…? Why were you calling? What did you want to tell me?
CALLER: Well, I just, you know, wanted to express my support for Trump and… and basically that.
RUSH: “Basically that.” Okay. What about your friends? Do you have friends your age that are also Republicans who may not like Trump?
CALLER: I don’t have friends that are Republican that don’t like Trump, but I do have some family members and friends that don’t like him.
RUSH: But are they Republican?
CALLER: No. They’re Democrats.
RUSH: Okay. So the key here is Republicans. The reason… Folks, the reason for this is (I kind of jumped the gun here) the Never Trumpers are every bit as hell-bent on getting rid of Trump as the deep state is, and they are focusing on this poll here as encouragement, as reason to feel optimistic that we can get Trump off the ballot in 2020. So the Never Trumpers are getting ready to assign all kinds of virtue to these 18- to 24-year-old Republicans that don’t like Trump.
As in, “We need to be listening to them! They are the future of the party, and if they don’t like Trump…” And, by the way, they don’t like Trump for moral reasons. That makes it even better, ’cause the Never Trumpers hate Trump because he’s not moral. You know, he doesn’t fulfill the so-called conservative virtue requirement. He’s an embarrassment, he’s a slug, and so this is a godsend poll for the Never Trumper community that (let’s face it) haven’t had a whole lot of success here.
The Never Trumpers failed, and so they are seeing this polling data as a sign that they might be able to have a revival, ’cause they still want to get rid of Trump as bad as they ever did. To hell with all this great economic news! This is the most maddening, amazing thing. We have people on our side willing to sabotage their lifelong held beliefs just because they don’t like the guy who is president when their beliefs are finally being implemented. It is crazy!
Now, let me set this up again. “Do you want another Republican to challenge Trump for the party’s nomination in 2020?” A survey of Republicans by SurveyMonkey. It was published at Axios, the Millennial website, and overall… I don’t know the size of the sample. It’s significant, though. I mean, it’s not like only 300 people. It’s a significant sample. Of the total — and this is Republicans — 56% are satisfied with Trump and don’t want anybody else, 42% do want another Republican challenge Trump.
Now, for the purposes of this discussion, we’re gonna accept the polling data as accurate. As you know, that’s up for grabs. I’m dicey on polling data. Too many of them are wrong too often amidst some that are correct. So you never know which one to trust. But for the sake of the discussion we’re gonna assume this is true. So I happened to stumble across a post at The Corner, National Review, by David French who Bill Kristol had nominated to be the Republican nominee instead of Trump.
I think he lives in Tennessee, if I’m not mistaken, and he is… I don’t know. A teacher? I don’t know what all he does, but he writes for National Review, and he is an accredited conservative, and I think he would not have a problem being called Never Trump. Not certain about that. But I think that’s accurate. He thinks that there are four reasons to explain this, four reasons to explain why 82% of 18- to 24-year-olds don’t want Trump.
“First,” he says, “older Republicans had decades to get to know both Donald Trump and, crucially, Hillary Clinton. Trump built a brand centered around the notion that he was one of the nation’s … greatest businessmen. It would take far more than a few months of negative media coverage to dislodge an impression created by years in the spotlight.” Of course, this is what I meant when I said some of these people just haven’t lived long enough to have enough knowledge of Trump to know who he is.
And so who he is has been determined by the media they read or their own native personal reactions to him, whereas their parents and grandparents have known Trump all theirs lives and he’s something totally different to them, because he’s been around. He’s a star. He’s a celebrity. He’s taken seriously sometimes; he’s not other times. People know when to take him seriously, when not to. Young people don’t.
French says, “You can easily meet many, many older Republicans who didn’t ‘hold their nose’ and vote for Trump. They genuinely like him and have liked him for years. At the same time, older Republicans had been fighting Hillary Clinton for” 25 years! For longer than these 18 to 24’s have been alive, older Republicans have been faced with all of the negatives and all the frustrations and all of the failures in trying to stop the Clintons.
My theory was once they learn who Bill Clinton was, it’s gonna be a shock, and it’s gonna redound negatively to Hillary. I don’t know. I think it did some. But “[t]o older Republicans [Hillary] was the embodiment of Democratic corruption.” She was the symbol of everything that had to be opposed. She was the symbol of everything that was dangerous and wrong and threatening to the country, to their beliefs, to the future of their kids. She had to lose. “Defeating Hillary led to a wave of relief and gratitude for Trump that older Republicans will never forget.”
But to young people, she was just the latest frumpy liberal Democrat who cared about people. They didn’t know anything about her, and the media that they consulted didn’t say one word negative about Hillary Clinton. Not a single negative word! The second reason he thinks that this disparity exists — and this gets interesting. He says, “Second, younger Republicans have been trained from childhood to see the GOP as a party of specific ideas.
“It’s a simple fact that there is a much greater infrastructure for training and teaching young Americans about conservatism than existed when [David French] was young.” That’s undeniable. Folks, when you and I were growing up, there wasn’t anywhere. If you read National Review, I mean, that was it. There wasn’t a conservative media or conservative academia. There wasn’t a conservative think tank conglomerate.
“Beginning in high school, politically minded students can attend conferences and immerse themselves in conservative media. In college, all kinds of organizations dedicated to spreading the gospel of limited government, constitutional government. Moreover, for the entire adult lifetime of young voters, the path to conservative…” Now, get this. Nope. Let me take a break. I don’t mean to be teasing you, but I — look, I got no choice. It’s the clock. Don’t go away. Be right back.
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RUSH: Okay in addition to the fact that young Republicans have had a conservative infrastructure to learn from and be exposed to from high school on, “for the entire adult lifetime of young voters, the path to conservative celebrity and power went through proving your adherence to those ideas.” We’re talking about 18- to 24-year-olds. His theory is the path to conservative celebrity and power, meaning becoming acknowledged as a genuine conservative, that makes you a celebrity in your group ’cause you know it.
You can explain it. You’re pervasive. The path to that went through proving your adherence to conservatism. “Trump, by contrast, has no fixed ideological world view. (sic) None.” David French says here, “It was baffling,” it was confusing to 18- to 24-year-old Republicans that Trump “could so quickly become the Fox News darling and the hero of so much of the [conservative media].”
Trump? “Wasn’t he the quintessential RINO?” So David French’s view is that Trump’s lack of ideology is why 18- to 24-year-old conservatives, one of the four reasons why they reject him as a phony, as a RINO. He’s not what they have grown up wanting to be, training to be, or any of that. He is no different to them than, you know, Mitch McConnell or Bob Michel was to any of us. Not a real conservative.
RUSH: Now, again, remember I think the Never Trumpers are using this polling data as a means to further the Never Trump view of Trump. So we have a bunch of 18- to 24-year-olds who think Trump’s a RINO, not a real conservative. I mean, they’ve been through conservative training. They’ve grown up with a conservative infrastructure, and some of them have found conservative celebrity and power — and Trump? “He’s not a conservative! He’s just a RINO. He’s all over the place map. You can’t count on that!”
And there’s also a moral component that I’ll get to here in a moment that they think Trump fails and so forth. But because Trump is not a true conservative — and don’t forget, the first point here was that adherence to conservative ideology is paramount, it is said here, with these 18- to 24-year-olds. If you’re not conservative, if you’re not a real conservative, if you’re halfway, if you’re a RINO, they’ve got no use for you, because they’ve grown up in this infrastructure.
Now, there’s a third element here. “older Republicans felt a greater sense of cultural despair,” simply ’cause they’ve seen lived through the perversion and the destruction of a once great and mighty American culture. As David French writes, look, if you’ve grown up thinking that transsexuals are cool and hip and can be patriots like Chelsea Manning — and if you’ve grown up with gay marriage is as normal as any other marriage…
If you’ve grown up where the left-wing definition of cultural compassion is one you accept, then Donald Trump is gonna offend the hell out of you. But if you happen to be an older GOP voter who’s lived through how we got here, lived through the never-ending attacks to conservatism — which these young kids have not lived through — the never-ending attacks on Christianity and religion — which these young kids haven’t lived through?
Older Republican voters have had to watch their cherished morality be chipped away and be told that there is no morality and they don’t have any right to define morality for anybody else. The young people have grown up into this cultural where there isn’t any morality, where you get to define your own. And if you define your own as contained within the bonds of conservatism (chuckles), then Trump is gonna be an even further outlier.
“Older GOP voters, by contrast, understood that in many key cultural conflicts, conservatives weren’t just losing, they were losing with remarkable speed.” They don’t… The young Republican voters have no concept of losing the culture. They have no concept of losing what was a great past. They haven’t lived long enough to have lost anything. So to them, Trump is not only an old guy, and he’s not a cool old guy.
To them, Trump is exactly what they don’t want to become, and then you add to the fact that he’s not, negotiable view, a doctrinaire conservative — and they, in their purity, say they can’t support him. This just happens to fall right in the lap of the Never Trumpers, which is the same case they’ve been trying to make. But they weren’t able to stop Trump. So now I think this poll gives the Never Trumpers hope (laughing) that the 18 to 24 demographic can pick up where the Never Trumpers failed.
There’s a fourth reason that David French writes to explain why 18- to 24-year-olds, 82% of ’em want Trump gone. “Fourth, younger conservatives covet the moral high ground,” he says. “Younger conservatives are more likely to live, work, and learn in hostile ideological territory than older conservatives. Conservative Millennials are used to being an embattled minority — especially on college campuses — and it is far, far easier to defend your message when the messengers are good people.”
It’s a far easier thing to do to defend your conservative message when the conservative messenger is a good person. Now, what this means is, here you have these 18- to 24-year-old conservatives. They’ve been trained. They’ve grown up in this conservative infrastructure. They’re doctrinaire, and they’re trying to sell conservatism to others, and they can’t use Trump because they don’t respect Trump. They don’t even think he’s a conservative.
And that’s the role that Trump serves. Older conservatives are fed up for years with being called all these names, lied about, blasphemed, slandered, libeled, accused of hating and wanting to starve children. They’ve had it, and nobody’s fought back against any of that that they’ve elected. Not a single person until Donald Trump! So excuse us if Trump doesn’t mean your model of purity, but we’ve got an opposition to beat — and so far, none of you purists have helped us in one way do it!
So you can sit there and romanticize your purity and invest your hopes and dreams in 18- to 24-year-olds who haven’t lived long enough to appreciate why they should appreciate Trump. The fact is these people on the left have gotta be stopped, because if they’re not, you can wave good-bye to your precious culture. And, by the way, so many of you Never Trumpers seem to be eager for the one thing that could more quickly destroy this culture than anything, and that’s illegal immigration.
If we don’t get a handle on that, seriously — if the Democrats get this DREAM bill — do you realize the number of millions of people we’re talking about here, folks? This isn’t 700,000 people we’re talking about with the DACA kids or the DREAMers. When you add it all up, what the Democrats want, what Chuck Schumer and these guys want? The Lindsey Graham-Dick Durbin deal would provide almost six million people amnesty, just under the DREAMer program!
Now, let me remind you that in 1986, the last time we had an official amnesty to deal with this same kind of problem, we granted amnesty to 2.6 million illegals, and we were told that was it. It was over. “No more! We’re tightening down the border. We’re gonna be restrictive. We’re gonna make sure on me people who love this country get in.” Now look! Now we’re dealing with, what, 12 to 15, maybe millions more that we don’t know about? This current battle over the DREAMers is not just about DREAMers.
It’s about chain migration. It’s about any number of people they can qualify. We’re looking… If Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin get the deal that they took to Trump that he rejected, if they get it — and we’re gonna back there in three weeks. If they get it, we’re talking amnesty for five million people, not 700,000. Because chain migration’s included in what Graham and Durbin want. And we’re not talking about teenagers.
And for some reason there are so many intellectual conservatives who are behind this idea and have been for the longest time calling it “comprehensive immigration reform.” So, yeah, those of us who are a little older than 24 or 30 with what we’ve lived through, we have watched the dissolution, we’ve watched the attacks on the country and on the culture and nobody’s fought back — and finally there’s somebody who is — our objective is to stop the agents of destruction.
We don’t have time for purity. But you know what? There’s a bonus going on. Because the guy who is pushing back and stopping is implementing more conservatism than any elected Republican since Ronald Reagan! There’s all kinds of added benefits happening here from an impure, imperfect, so-called RINO conservative. There’s nothing that can make you 18 to 24’s become 40 overnight. There’s no way we can provide you years and years of experience you have not yet lived.
But you’re gonna have to trust some of us. You haven’t been alive long enough to witness the never-ending assaults on culture and the leaders of the conservative movement for I don’t know how many decades now. You have grown up into a culture that you think is normal and fine, which is the result of decades of assault and attacks, and it features a history that you naturally are gonna make fun of because it was a history you weren’t alive for.
We all use our own date of birth as the beginning of history that’s important to us, our historical perspective. But that’s why I wanted to talk to you. I’m still going to on Friday. Now that I’ve spelled all this out, I’m gonna ask some of you 18- to 24-year-old conservatives — and I hope some of you are in that group that hates Trump.
I want to hear why — and don’t worry about it. I’m not gonna yell at you. I’m not gonna argue. I’m not gonna insult you. I’m not gonna do anything that you think happens that shouldn’t. There’s no raised voices. I might be incredulous at an answer here or there. But it’s gonna be a learning trip for me. So we’ll plan on that on Friday. I’m making it part of Open Line Friday.
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